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Hi, is there a way to set the panel default state so it's either always collapsed or expanded? At the moment its so random and does whatever it likes. I really would like some sort of control about this, I need this to be always collapsed. Any ideas please?

Well thanks for nothing then so far the only stable use I found of AppginiHelper is an easy way of integrating company logo into header.. The rest feels like unfinished project. Setup tabs, save the record, fields goes random out of tabs. Data picker works depends on user permission, honestly anything I tried so far I had to abort. If I try to ask a question, most likely the answer will be: its beta, unsupported function. Great work..

Hi aarlauskas,

I am sorry that I did not see your request for support earlier. I must have missed it somehow.

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... collapsed or expanded? At the moment its so random ...

The status is saved in the so-called localStorage. It is not random. This means it is bound to the browser and current user. Also the selection of visible/hidden tabs of default AppGini table views is stored there. More about localStorage: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/doc ... calStorage

I really would like some sort of control about this, I need this to be always collapsed

I will check if I can implement such an option. But that new function must be compatible to earlier versions.

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Setup tabs, save the record, fields goes random out of tabs

I know from conversations with many other customers that the tabs basically work. I myself also use them every day in my projects. I can not reproduce the described behaviour.

There was a bug (reported in April or May 2020 (?)) about certain field-types which were not moved into tabs if user had no edit permission. This bug has already been fixed in the past. Are you using the latest version? Check console output of dev-tools, please.

In General:
If a certain function of the AppGiniHelper library is not executed, it is usually because the source code before it is buggy. You can see this by the (red) error messages that appear in the console tab of your development tools. If a part of your code contains errors, usually the rest of your code will not be executed. I would recommend to always keep an eye on the console output. And don't forget to clear browser cache after changing CSS or JS.

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Data picker works depends on user permission

Can you please explain what you mean. What is "data picker"?

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... its beta, unsupported function ...

There are dozenz of functions included in the library and fully supported. In addition to the purchased functions, we provide functions that can help one or the other of you - free of charge. You may use them "as is" if they help you. It's a free bonus. Many of these functions make it into the next version. Until then they are a free gift. As in so many other software, you are not obliged to use these BETA features.

A few thoughts
Is it better not to provide new functions? I personally think it is good to provide additional features (for free), because I myself and a few power-users can test these features over several months and provide helpful feedback until they are mature enough for a release. But of course, if this is not seen as a bonus, but I am raising your expectations for more and more free, 100% bulletproof features for any constellation in the world, then I should consider to stop providing BETA features in the future.

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I am very sorry that you are dissatisfied. I can guarantee that the functions you complained about basically work, otherwise almost all customers would complain about them. Almost always when an actual bug was reported, I provided a workaround the same day and fixed the bug in the next version. From my experience with the support requests I receive, more than 90% of the problems lie in the self-written source code and lack of experience with javascript or PHP syntax. Often the mixing of PHP (server side) and javascript (client side) is also a problem.

It is very important that syntax errors in the code are eliminated. As long as the code is not error-free, certain functions of our lib cannot be executed.

Recommendations:

• Always get the latest version of our library which is 2020/10/26-01 by now.
• Watch out for errors (red messages) and warnings (yellow messages) in the console tab of dev-tools
• Check your javascript code without executing any AppGini Helper functions. if your code has errors even without our lib, then our lib will not fix your errors.
• Troubleshooting-Guide:
  https://appgini.bizzworxx.de/support/troubleshooting/
  This help page should provide many useful hints. For example it explains how to enable the developer tools or what the browser cache is
• Support options:
  https://appgini.bizzworxx.de/support/support-request/
• Best practice guide:
  https://appgini.bizzworxx.de/support/best-practice/
• Follow us on twitter @bizzworxx
• Blog with many articles:
  https://appgini.bizzworxx.de/blog/

Once again, I'm really sorry that I did not see your support request. Usually I immediately react to bugreports. And in addition I help many people here promptly, if they have problems with programming or problems of understanding - if I see a solution and if I find the time for helping. Unfortunately I cannot answer every question here in the forum immediately. But there are many experts who can help and who contribute many many helpful articles almost every day.

Hi Jan, Thanks for this. I shouldn't really post comments like these on forum, sorry.. I know you're hard-working man and your knowledge of code is not questionable. I did need these questions answered in a rush as I was working on a little project recently. Should of messaged you directly..

But of course, if this is not seen as a bonus, but I am raising your expectations for more and more free, 100% bulletproof features for any constellation in the world, then I should consider to stop providing BETA features in the future.

Jan, I’m quite sure I am in the majority that absolutely want - indeed need - your blog and other posts detailing different ways of tackling usability/design features. Sometimes, within the limits of our own skill, set we might even enthusiastically try BETA features that fit into our areas of interest!

The expectation of myself, and most others, is that if we take on this type of task we must accept the reality of boundary conditions and other factors that may not allow it to function in our own environment or indeed ones that may need support to fix a big that our use exposes.

Thanks for the BETA features - a couple have provided tremendous value to me - essentially a gift in time as I of course resubscribed the next time it came up.

Please, please keep providing BETA features - I’m sure it will ultimately be a wise investment for you and it provides excellent immediate value added to those partaking (in general systems knowledge if nothing else).

Thanks Jan!

Hi Jan,

I want to say thank you for releasing early and releasing often. Of course it's not nice to read that a feature is not supported - but hey, it's at least there. I am fine with that and I am hoping you will release beta's as well in future. Your work is good and your support excellent. You are one of the very important people here in the forum - and by that - for the AG community. Thanks for being here.

Maybe you could make clearer when a feature is in beta and/or unsupported by saying so in the console log? I could imagine, that if I use a feature that is (yet) unsupported the function name with the additional text like AGHelperSecretFunctionname: unsupported beta (or similar) could show up in the console log. Thus: If I have a question about that, I already know it's unsupported and I might not get a (satisfying) answer.

Stay well
Olaf

Hi Jan,

Echo response from Olaf and David.

My question, how do I get notified of software updates? I am missing them (maybe they are buried in the PlugIn posts?).

Thanks.

~Paul

Thanks, David & Olaf, for your feedback!
Your opinion is valuable to me!

@Paul: There are several places where I publish news and tips & tricks:

• Releases thread here in the forum
  viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3329
• Blog on our website
  https://appgini.bizzworxx.de/blog/
• Changelog on our website
  https://appgini.bizzworxx.de/products/j ... changelog/
• Twitter @bizzworxx
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• Newsletter
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